键盘侠罗斯罚球（球迷对如今新秀过于严苛）

This is sub is ridiculous when it comes to young players. If you don't score 15-20ppg or have amazing stats you're a bust before you finish your rookie contract. That's ridiculous. The recent past few drafts have spoiled alot of fans.

尼克斯球迷发帖：这个论坛一说到年轻球员简直就是离谱。要是他们在履行完新秀合约前场均得分没有15到20分，或者是数据不亮眼，那就成了水货。这太扯了。之前的几届新秀已经把很多球迷的胃口养叼了。

Seriously, I see this a lot within the Knicks, that our assets/young guys are worthless save for Robinson & 3rd pick & I'm tired of it.

I've heard ppl say this about Mo Bamba, Early season Trae Young, Johnathan Issac, Justise Winslow before this season & more.

To have lofty expectations on literal kids is crazy, guys like Kyle Lowry, JJ Reddick, Isaiah Thomas, Joe Harris, Victor Oladipo all had to be moved around/mature past their rookie contracts in order to carve out a role in the league.

说真的，我就经常看到尼克斯球迷这么对自家年轻人，说他们对于我们已有的米切尔-罗宾逊和三号选秀签而言，留着也是没什么用的交易资产。我真是受够了这种说法。

我听过很多人也是这么说班巴、乔纳森-艾萨克、赛季初期的特雷-杨和赛季开始前的温斯洛的。

对这些小孩抱有过高的期望是不现实的，像洛瑞、雷迪克、小托马斯、乔-哈里斯和奥拉迪波这些人都是在过了新秀合同期之后四处磨炼成熟的，这才在联盟找到了自己的定位。

This sub really hates on young guys way too much let them grow, let them develop

这个论坛真的是太针对年轻人了，让他们自由成长吧。

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[–]Bulls Falt_ssb 314 points 8 hours ago

Do you think the Knicks have significantly valuable assets beyond #3, Robinson and future firsts?

公牛球迷：楼主觉得尼克斯除了三号签、罗宾逊，以及未来的首轮之外，还有啥很有交易价值的资产吗？

[–]76ers hot_new_ISH 179 points 8 hours ago

OP, I will bet you $100 straight up that no player excluding Robinson on the Knicks will ever be an all star

76人球迷：楼主，我直接和你赌100美金，你们尼克斯的年轻人除了罗宾逊之外，没有一个人今后能成为全明星。

[–]Timberwolves MeatCheeks 306 points 8 hours ago

Why do guys need to be all stars or nothing? Guys can still contribute to a winning team without being an all star.

森林狼球迷：为啥这些球员必须得成为全明星，否则就一文不值呢？他们即便成不了全明星，还是可以在一支争冠球队做贡献啊。

[–]Knicks Captain_Saftey 72 points 8 hours ago

This is exactly what he's getting at. He's not saying any of our guys are gonna be all stars but they can all develop into successful basketball players which is what makes a team good. You think Robert Horry was an all star? No but that didn't mean he couldn't win games for his team

尼克斯球迷：楼主就是这个观点。他不是说我们有哪个年轻人以后能进全明星，可是他可以成长为成功的可以让球队变强的球员啊。你们觉得罗伯特-霍里是全明星吗？不是，可是这并不意味着他不能帮助自己的球队赢球。

[–]Trail Blazers _Quetzalcoatlus_ 272 points 7 hours ago

I'd be so devastated if a draft pick developed into some trash non-All Star like CJ McCollum, Mike Conley, or Rudy Gobert. /s

开拓者球迷：如果我们哪个选秀签最后兑现成CJ、康利或者是戈贝尔这样的非全明星“垃圾”球员，那会可得多难过哟

[–]Mavericks SSHeretic 150 points 7 hours ago

That's not fair, those guys have spent their entire careers in the West. It's actually hard to make an All-Star team in the West; we're talking about the Knicks here.

独行侠球迷：这么说不公平，你说的这些人一直在西部，想进全明星还真挺难的。我们现在说的可是尼克斯。

[–]Spurs SnuggleMuffin42 158 points 7 hours ago

Literally every player he named would have been an all star in the east

马刺球迷：实际上他所说的每个人放在东部都能进全明星。

[–]Pelicans bettervintage 72 points 6 hours ago

Not to mention Gobert has made All-Defense and DPOY. Those guys are clearly at All-Star level.

鹈鹕球迷：何况戈贝尔还进过最佳防守阵，拿过年度最佳防守球员。这些人明显都是全明星级别的。

[–]Raptors jps78 184 points 8 hours ago

TBH what you can do by year 4 in the league is a pretty good indicator of what you are. There will always be exceptions to the norm but there are more players that fizzle out because they aren't good enough than players that become decent later on in their careers

猛龙球迷：说真的，你在进入联盟的第四年的表现很能预示着你今后能达到怎样的高度。总有些球员能兑现大家的期望，可是更多的人归于沉寂，因为他们比不上那些之后打出数据的球员。

[–]Knicks Captain_Saftey 52 points 8 hours ago

Most of our Assets aren't that far in yet.

Knox, Mitch, and Trier are all rookies

DSJ and Frank are sophomores

Mudiay is the only asset talked about in trades who's played 4 seasons

尼克斯球迷：我们大多数年轻球员还没打那么久啊

诺克斯、罗宾逊和特里尔都是菜鸟

电视机和尼利基纳都是二年级生

穆迪埃是我们队里唯一的打了4个赛季的年轻人

[–]East danielbauer1375 93 points 7 hours ago

Which is why they aren’t that valuable. Why would I settle for a player that hasn’t shown much when I can get a player that has shown a lot more potential?

所以才说他们没啥交易价值啊。要是我能得到一个已经展示出了很大潜力的球员，那我为啥还要去追求一个还不显山露水的年轻人呢？

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[–]Lakers virji24 9 points 7 hours ago

Brandon Ingram averaged 18 this year and was super impressive the second half of the season yet most of this sub thinks he’s trash.

湖人球迷：英格拉姆这赛季场均18分，下半赛季的表现超级抢眼，可是这个论坛多数人还是觉得他垃圾。

[–]Thunder Shuggy_99 1954 points 8 hours ago

Be reasonable and have reasonable expectations? Why the fuck would I do that

雷霆球迷：要我保持理性，对他们有理性的期待？我尼玛凭啥要这么理性

[–]Heat clear831 282 points 8 hours ago

That seems reasonable

热火球迷：你这话就说得很理性了

[–]Heat clear831 19 points 6 hours ago

Because it would be unreasonable to be reasonable and have reasonable expectations, we are not reasonable people!

热火球迷：因为要我们这些球迷对年轻人保持理性的期待，这种要求本身就是不理性的，我们可不是理性群体！

[–]Mavericks JayySwisherr 105 points 6 hours ago

It’s pretty hard too when Luka Doncic comes in at 19 and slays the NBA like he did this year

独行侠球迷：何况19岁东契奇这个赛季来到NBA之后就大杀四方，那就更难让大家理性了。

[–]Pacers TheSloppyJanitor 95 points 5 hours ago

He was also playing pro ball overseas and was one of the most NBA ready prospects. A lot of these dudes get drafted off potential and then get shit on when they don’t immediately reach that potential when they get to the league.

步行者球迷：他之前在欧洲是打过职业联赛的，而且早就是最受NBA追捧的希望之星之一。这些希望之星凭借着过人的天赋当选，不过要是他们进入联盟后没能立即兑现天赋，那就会被喷死。

[–]Nuggets KevinsChilli 19 points 5 hours ago

lol yeah dude has been doing this for awhile. Shouldn't have been as shocking as it was.

掘金球迷：哈哈哈，对啊，东契奇这种表现有段时间了，咱们不应该很诧异。

[–]Cavaliers SuperLurker1337 433 points 8 hours ago

Don’t forget that if you come into the league older than 19 you might as well be 40

骑士球迷：咱也别忘了，要是哪个年轻人19岁之后才进入联盟，在球迷们看来，那他还不如40岁再来呢

[–]Celtics FreshLake 160 points 5 hours ago

Buddy Hield

凯尔特人球迷：巴迪-希尔德。

[–]Pelicans BradL_13 22 points 4 hours ago

I miss buddy

鹈鹕球迷：我想巴迪了。

[–]Celtics Marcussmartismydad 131 points 3 hours ago

Prospects are kinda like porn stars. You're either a teen or a MILF with no in between. I'm not sure this makes sense.

凯尔特人球迷：潜力新秀就像是A片明星。要么你很少女，要么是人妻，不要在中间夹着。不知道这么说靠不靠谱。

[–]Celtics k1colobose 25 points 3 hours ago

great analogy

凯尔特人球迷：这个比喻很妙。

[–]Lakers MiopTop 127 points 8 hours ago

There's a difference between "that player is a bust" and "that's a worthless trade asset".

Specifically when it comes to Knox.

Knox could very well develop into an All-Star.

But he is just about a worthless trade asset right now because his first year was bad enough that you can't bet on him reaching that potential right now.

Laker fans were in the same position after Ingram's rookie year. I know how tiring it is to see a 19 year old improve game after game and show flashes, only for everyone on here to say he's a bust because RPM says he's the worst player in the league.

But looking back, I know that betting your hope as a fan on a guy like Knox is great, but betting your assets (especially freakin AD) as a GM on a guy like Knox is just insanely risky.

Because if he doesn't improve, that move is virtually unjustifiable.

湖人球迷：“那个年轻人是水货”和“他是个毫无价值的交易资产”，这两者是有区别的。尤其是放在诺克斯身上。

诺克斯可以培养成为一名全明星，可是他现在就是就是毫无价值的交易资产，因为他处子赛季表现稀烂，眼下你不会指望他能打出潜力。

英格拉姆的处子赛季过后，湖蜜也是这么个心理。看着一个19岁的年轻人一场场提升、时不时闪光，这是会让人倦怠的，我懂，可是你也不能因为他的真实正负值联盟最低就说他是个水货啊。

话说回来了，我知道有些球迷对诺克斯这种球员抱有很大的希望，这是好事，可是人家总经理要是押宝在诺克斯这种人身上，那真是疯狂至极的冒险了。

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[–][WAS] Moses Malone burnerfret 808 points 8 hours ago

Counterpoint -- too many fans love their teams young guys way too much.

I always bring this up because it made such a big impression on me -- the first "huh, really?" moment I experienced on this sub is when I was told that 2nd-year Norm Powell was completely untouchable.

奇才球迷：反方观点：太多球迷对自家年轻人过分溺爱了。

我一直是这么觉得的，因为有人跟我说二年级生鲍威尔在这里是黑不得的，那是我第一次有那种“哈，认真的？”的反应，这事儿我印象太深刻了。

[–]SonofNamek 12 points 6 hours ago

Yeah, front offices are guilty of this too. So many potential trades for All-Stars get quashed because they don't want to include their young talented player in the deal.

是的，管理层也要对此负部分责任。有很多冲着全明星去的潜在交易流产，因为他们不想让队里有天赋的年轻人牵涉其中。

[–]West WL19 11 points 5 hours ago

The obsession that some Blazers fans have with Zach Collins and Anfernee Simmons is unhealthy.

某些开拓者球迷对柯林斯和安芬尼-西蒙斯的迷恋近乎变态了。

[–]Kings xowgl 50 points 6 hours ago

If you try to trade Giles in the Kings sub you will get banned

国王球迷：要是你在我王的专区说交易贾尔斯，你会被禁言的。

[–]Grizzlies Juventus19 34 points 5 hours ago

Can't get banned for suggesting a trade in the Grizzlies sub because there's only 12 of us to begin with.

灰熊球迷：在我熊专区提出交易就不会被禁言，因为我们一共就12个人。

[–][PHI] Ben Simmons TrustTheProcess92 392 points 8 hours ago

Sixers fans saying Dario Saric was untouchable was another I could never wrap my head around.

Yea he gives funny interviews and seems like a good dude. Also I’d trade him any day for Jimmy Buckets

76人球迷：某些76人球迷之前说萨里奇是不能动的，我当时就很不能理解。

是，他采访时很逗，好像人还不错。可我任何时候都会拿他换巴特勒啊。

[–]76ers CraftyCoach 57 points 7 hours ago

It was a good trade and I’d do it again in a heartbeat, but part of him being “untouchable” was because he was a fan favorite. He could’ve been trash and still considered untouchable by fans if he’s liked enough

76人球迷：那笔交易很划算，再来一次，我也会毫不犹豫。可是他之所以是“碰不得的”，部分原因是他很受球迷喜欢。如果球迷们很喜爱他的话，即便他很垃圾，也仍然是碰不得的。

[–]Timberwolves the___heretic 21 points 6 hours ago

I feel bad because he doesn't seem nearly as well loved here in Minnesota. Seems like a nice guy, but he really seemed to struggle finding a rhythm on the court.

森林狼球迷：我觉得很遗憾啊，因为貌似他在明尼苏达没那么讨喜。似乎是个好人，可是他在场上真的难以找到节奏。

[–]76ers WhereDaHinkieFlair 20 points 5 hours ago

Yeah, but i bet he plays hard...

TBH, he was never really in great rythym, but he busted his ass and had enough skill to keep the other team honest(with passing and shooting). I will always root for him, Cov, TJ, Jerami and the rest of the Process Sixers who didn't complain.

76人球迷：是的，不过我保证他打球很拼的……

说真的，他的节奏一直就那样，不过很卖力，而且技术也凑合（传球和投篮）。我会一直支持他、考文顿、TJ、格兰特和其他76人“过程”时期从不抱怨的人。

[–]Lakers ClassyJGlassy 144 points 6 hours ago

I went to the last home game for the Sixers last season and the fans booed Malcom Brogdon. I asked a guy sitting nearby why they hate him, and he said, "Maybe because a bench player won ROTY over our franchise player level talent."

It took me like 20 minutes to figure out he was talking about Dario.

湖人球迷：76人上赛季最后一个主场打雄鹿的时候我去了现场，球迷们当时狂嘘布罗格登。我就问坐在我旁边的人为啥他们这么讨厌他，那人告诉我，“或许是因为这个替补抢了我们球队王牌的年度最佳新秀。”

我花了20分钟才想明白，他说的人是萨里奇。

[–]Lakers hairtoolongtho 55 points 5 hours ago

Bro you stupiid

湖人球迷：老铁，你傻了吧

[–]76ers LJFozzz 90 points 5 hours ago

He might have been talking about Embiid. A lot of sixers fans felt he deserved rookie of the year despite playing 31 games. I don't think he deserved it but there is a case that he was the best rookie that year.

76人球迷：那人说的或许是恩比德吧。虽说他当年只打了31场，但是很多76人球迷觉得他该拿最佳新秀。我觉得他不该拿，可是他的表现还是可以说明他具备最佳新秀的实力。

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[–][PHI] Bobby JonesHeJind 55 points 8 hours ago

Your assets are worthless though. Theoretically all the Knicks young guys can improve, but thats true with literally every player. Knox and DSJ have shown absolutely nothing to think they should be valued in a trade package for a player like AD. Espeically if you compare them to players like Ingram and Tatum.

I dont think its fair to call them busts but it is absolutely fair to call them worthless imo.

76人球迷：可是你们尼克斯的这些人确实没啥价值啊。理论上来说，尼克斯的全体年轻人都能进步，可是每个人都是这样啊。想把诺克斯和电视机打包放到戴维斯这种球员的交易里，可是他俩啥也没证明啊。你再把他俩和莺歌、塔图姆这些球员比比呢？

[–]Thunder Hairiest_Walrus 48 points 8 hours ago

I don’t think you even have to go as far as worthless. They just aren’t worthy assets for acquiring AD. It’s really not even that insulting. AD is a monster

雷霆球迷：我觉得还没到没价值的地步吧。只是说他们去换戴维斯的话，还不够格而已。真没到那么侮辱人的地步，毕竟戴维斯是怪兽级别的。

[–][CHA] Elden Campbell DonEYeet 90 points 8 hours ago

Most stars are stars early. This is just a rule of ball

黄蜂球迷：大多数球星一早就显露出球星实力了。这就是篮球界的道理。

[–]Warriors velocirappa 77 points 8 hours ago

For reference, Curry averaged 17.5 points, 6 assists, and 4.5 rebounds on 57% TS as a rookie and is often considered a late bloomer.

Obviously players can be underwhelming in their first couple seasons and then develop into solid players, but most perennial All-NBA type guys demonstrate that within their first couple seasons. Just looking at the accolades for those top tier stars, most of them were at least all star level players by their third year.

勇士球迷：给个参考啊，库里新秀赛季场均15.5分6助4.5板，真实命中率57%，就这还常常被大家认为是大器晚成。

的确，进入联盟的头几个赛季，球员们或许还发挥一般，之后就打开了，可是，大多数常年保持在联盟顶级水准的那些人在进入联盟的头几个赛季就能展示出实力。你就看看大家对那些顶级球星的赞誉就懂了，他们绝大部分在进入联盟第三个年头后至少是全明星级别的。

[–]Suns FranchiseAlert 16 points 8 hours ago

Steve Nash would of been roasted for almost a third of his career based on this sub's logic

太阳球迷：那按照你们这个逻辑的话，第三个赛季的纳什怕是要被喷死。

[–]JPLoseman7 15 points 7 hours ago

Nash didn’t have a lot of value after his second year bc he hadn’t shown much, which is why he was traded for like nothing. You’re proving the wrong point lol.

纳什在进入联盟第二个赛季后没有打出多大的价值，可那是因为他没有多少表现机会啊，所以他才会被白白送走。楼上抬错了杠，哈哈。

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