勒布朗夺冠最新消息（勒布朗的历史地位会）

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Lebron seems like the only star whose "legacy" was able to survive the Warriors dominance from '15-'19.

Everybody else took a major hit it feels like. The teams and star players from that time just don't seem legendary with how people view them.

Nobody really holds the 3 series losses against Lebron, it's like he came out unscathed.

That era was very detrimental to overall competitiveness when you talk about 4 straight years of the same finals matchup.

勒布朗似乎是唯一一个在2015-19年勇士统治期间，“历史地位”能够不受影响的球星。

感觉其他球星的历史地位或多或少受到了打击，那个时候与勇士同时期的球队和明星球员，人们很难将他们列为“传奇”。

很少有人抓住勒布朗的3次总决赛失利去黑他，好像这三次失败对他毫无影响。

当然，连续4年的总决赛是同一组对决的话，那个时代的其他球星与球队确实很难有竞争力。

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top7to9

The bigger context of LeBron's career helps with this too. '15-'18 was the end of an 8 year run where the only deciding factor for making the NBA Finals out of the East was whether or not LeBron James was on your team.

勒布朗职业生涯的大背景也对他的历史地位有帮助。

15-18这四年是八年通知的后四年，整整八年，在东部能否进入总决赛的唯一决定因素，是勒布朗-詹姆斯是否在你的球队中。

Aquaireeus

Cries in Pacers...

步行者球迷哭死......

mocha-thunder

Cries in LeBronto

勒布伦多（暗示勒布朗对多伦多的统治）的球迷们依然在哀嚎

ChrisTheMiss

watching Lebronto year after year got depressing and i’m not even a raptors fan

我年复一年地为勒布伦多猛龙队感到难过，我还不是猛龙的球迷

anonymousnuisance

17/18 I just stopped consuming basketball after Raps got knocked out. I didn’t listen to any podcast, didn’t watch the finals. Just quit. So heartbreaking, especially 18.

猛龙球迷：18年猛龙被詹姆斯横扫后，我直接放弃看篮球了。

我没有再听任何播客，没有看总决赛。真没劲。每一次都令人心碎，尤其是18年。

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Euphoric_Travel6762

Even KD’s legacy took a hit and he was on the team

就连KD的历史地位也受到了打击，甚至他还在勇士队里

delusionalnbafan

and he won the Finals MVPs

他还赢得了2个总决赛MVP

48ozs

Would his legacy be “better” if he stayed in OKC or went to another time and didn’t win any rings during that time? Honest answer

I think probbbably not. It would be the whole Chris Paul thing

如果他留在雷霆，或者去了另一支球队，然后在那几年里没有赢得过总冠军，他的历史地位会“更高”吗？诚实地回答。

我想应该不会吧。这将会和克里斯-保罗的情况差不多。

chivestheconqueror

He’d be more respected among fans for sure, but there would def still be the cloud of “no rings” over him. Then again, who knows what OKC could’ve built around him in a few more years. The Thunder were always contenders under him, and one OKC title would’ve been huge for his legacy.

他肯定会受到更多球迷的尊重，但他仍然会笼罩在“没有总冠军”的阴云中。

话又说回来，谁知道那几年雷霆会围绕他建立一支怎样的队伍。

拥有他时，雷霆一直是总冠军的有力竞争者，而只要有一次在俄城的冠军经历，就能让他一冠封神。

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sixseven89

1 OKC title would mean much more for his legacy than all his GSW rings

在雷霆拿1次总冠军对他历史地位的加成，比他在勇士拿10次总冠军都要大

DLottchula

The same with Lebron and his Cleveland ring

勒布朗与他的16年总冠军也是这个道理

BRUTAL_ANAL_SMASHING

The Cleveland ring holds so much because it was his promise being fulfilled, but also was against such a dominate team at the time.

KD does that for OKC he’s a hero for sure.

克利夫兰冠军之所以如此重要，是因为他兑现了他的诺言，还是对阵一支73胜9负的历史级球队。

要是KD为俄城做到了，他会成为大英雄。

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SamuraiPanda19

Harden and the Rockets should get praise for being one of the only teams to even really try and beat them during that period

哈登和火箭应该得到更多的称赞，他们是在那几年唯一敢于直面勇士的球队

KaiserKaiba

Bron and Kawhi’s legacies have been fine and “survived”. It’s probs cuz (regardless of context) they’re the only stars to get a win on the Warriors in the playoffs from 2015-2022.

If anything, most glaring thing about GSW’s reign is the lack of respect towards Harden who was competitive with that team for two straight years when they were at their peak.

勒布朗和伦纳德的历史地位评价一直未受影响。这很可能是因为，他们是唯二在2015-2022年期间，在季后赛中战胜勇士的球星（不管是如何夺冠的）。

如果真要说，勇士的统治最大的影响就是让人们缺少对哈登的尊重，哈登在巅峰宇宙勇时期是联盟第一大抗勇先锋，连续两年几乎将勇士打败。

Toastrules

I've been thinking about it, Harden without a ring will probably end up on the same legacy tier as Ewing or Stockton / Malone, which isn't bad! They'll be known as greats who just couldn't get past a dynasty, but it would be a shame that someone like Harden would be stuck in that "what if" tier

我认为假如哈登生涯无冠，他最终可能会与尤因或斯托克顿/马龙处于同一级别，这还不错！

他们将被称为“无冕之王”，但像哈登这样的球员没有一个圆满（有冠）的生涯，这也是很令人难过的事情

bigE819

Especially because it doesn’t even count as a Finals Appearance, which is misleading because the 2018 Rockets were the second best team that year by far

尤其是有人会用这样的观点驳斥：“相比那几位球星，哈登巅峰时都没有进过总决赛，他不配与前几位相提并论”，但这样说没道理，因为18年的火箭就是当年第二好的球队

upyourass2theleft

Tbf it’s one of the many years where people say the WCF was the real finals

所以说实话，大家都认可2018年的西决才是真正的总决赛

Megasabletar

Lillard is a great example.

The best team Lillard will have had in his career, right in the middle of his prime, wasn't even competitive with the KD Warriors.

It was jv against varsity and that Blazers team gets looked at as a joke for it.

利拉德就是一个很好的反例。

利拉德在他生涯的巅峰期，正好拥有他职业生涯中最好的队友与最强的球队，但他们甚至无法在勇士头上赢下一场。

那几年的勇士vs开拓者就像是NBA球队打大学校队般碾压，非常无情。

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opacous

Most of us casually think of the “rivalry” of that period as being between one dude and an entire team that had a DPOY and up to two MVPs.

我们都认为那几年的“宿敌对决”，是一名球员（詹姆斯）与一支拥有两个MVP与一个DPOY的球队（勇士）之间的对决。

LouisianaBoySK

Exactly this. I think his legacy will actually be helped by this. The fact that the most OP team ever created was done to only stop one man. That’s going to be looked upon as crazy in the upcoming years.

完全没错，所以我认为虽然詹姆斯那几年输了，但这些失利反而让他的历史地位得到提升。

难以置信，勇士组建出历史上最强的球队，仅仅是为了阻止一个人。

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Helicase21

Kyrie "survived". Heck, he's still basically living off his 2016 Finals.

凯里也“存活了下来”。哎呀，但他基本上还是靠16年总决赛苟延残喘。

YayoBankroll

Not anymore.

Kyrie gets discredited for "only winning with Lebron on his team".

And nobody even considers him as one of the greats.

并不是。

看看这几年，凯里不断地证明“只有跟詹姆斯在同一支球队，他才能赢球”，也因此名誉扫地。

从没有人认为他是伟大的球员之一。

bad-decision-maker

Kyrie's legacy: "That dude had one of the best handles I have ever seen. Shame he is such a weirdo"

对凯里历史地位的评价：“那个家伙拥有历史上最棒的运球之一，只可惜他羽化而登仙了”

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